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Jan 26, 2007 13:25:53 GMT -5
Post by River on Jan 26, 2007 13:25:53 GMT -5
Okay, I need your honest opinion. Everyone's honest opinion...
You may or may not have noticed that I was gathering information for an rp site that I probably should not be making. There's a lot of info involved and it's taking quite a large amount of work and time and patience and... all that. But, as I look back on it all, I'm beginning to wonder if this will all be worth it in the end. I mean, I've been working on this site on and off for weeks now and I'm probably not even half way to being finished. I still have all these lists and charts and crap to copy over... and I'm beginning to doubt the worth in all this.
I just don't think people will bother to read all of this crap I am putting up... and you can't really play the game without knowing some stuff about the universe it takes place in. I really don't want to waste my time like that.... and yet, I'd give almost anything to join a website like it. It's based off of a table top rp game about werewolves that's so mind-bogglingly detailed and involved, it's astounding. But I can't play it as a table-top rp because you need at least three people for it to be any fun... and no one I know plays table-top rps. Plus, I don't have enough dice to play it, even if I wanted to.
I went on an Internet search for an online rp with the same principles... but I can't find one. So, I made the hasty decision to make one... but, upon further analysis, that might have been foolish. But what do you guys think? Would you personally bother to read page after page after page of info in preparation for an rp? Or would you just deem it too much work on your part and not bother?
And be honest please. Don't just say "Oh yeah River, sure I would!" just to make me feel better... because I won't.
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Jan 26, 2007 13:38:20 GMT -5
Post by Sadae on Jan 26, 2007 13:38:20 GMT -5
Well, to be honest it would be difficult for me since reading page after page of things can be alittle difficult. It'd be that way only because that's a lot of rules and info to take in all at once and most people are lazier than that and will either a. Skip the rules and vitals completely and become a problem. or b.Get bored and just not join at all.
Honestly, it'd probuably take awhile to get a few members in over a year considering how hard it is to get rp proboards going. Do you have any help from anyone interested in that sort of thing?
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Jan 26, 2007 15:05:54 GMT -5
Post by River on Jan 26, 2007 15:05:54 GMT -5
No, I have no help at all... because I don't know anyone who knows anything about this rpg. There are a few people on DA I watch who apparently know a thing or two, but they're like big time artists and certainly don't have time to bother with a little side forum.
*sighs again* Bleh. I really don't think this will be worth it. There aren't enough people interested in werewolves to bother to read all this stuff... and I honestly don't want to type anymore. But, at the same time, I would seriously kill for something based on werewolf: the apocalypse. I guess I just don't want to give up on it so easily... but then, I don't want to type all of this up only to have it never be read. >.>
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Sky
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Jan 26, 2007 15:37:13 GMT -5
Post by Sky on Jan 26, 2007 15:37:13 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what i would do but if you do go on with it i do have some advise. Don't do it all at once, take your time and gradually build up on it. You have come this far and that is just too much just to give up, do you really think it's worth it? But if it is getting a pain and maybe cutting into your time, just don't keep doing it all at once maybe take a break.
Of couse this means nothing coming from me and you can delete it if you want because i know it might not be any help to you. Why not go and ask people if they would like a site like this and will goin.
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Jan 26, 2007 15:53:40 GMT -5
Post by River on Jan 26, 2007 15:53:40 GMT -5
I'm not doing it all at once. I'm just growing impatient is all. I just really want to start playing but I don't even have the boards up yet. That's all... >.> I'm tired of all this planning, I just want to play. But can't play on an unfinished site so, now I'm complaining to you guys. ^^;
I would ask around but then I feel like it's shameless advertising. Plus, not many people even know about Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I mean, no one here has heard of it... and this site seemed like my best bet. I dunno where else to look except DA.
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Sky
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Jan 26, 2007 15:56:09 GMT -5
Post by Sky on Jan 26, 2007 15:56:09 GMT -5
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Jan 26, 2007 16:05:41 GMT -5
Post by River on Jan 26, 2007 16:05:41 GMT -5
Yeah but I haven't been on the BBA in the longest and if I just go there out of nowhere to drop off a link... it seems kind of selfish to me and it'd make me feel bad. >.>
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Jan 26, 2007 20:59:20 GMT -5
Post by Secret on Jan 26, 2007 20:59:20 GMT -5
I like to read lots of information before starting anything. I don't like being caught unaware and then do something stupid.
I admit that I've never heard of it until now. (The only table top RPG I've ever really be associated with is Dungeons and Dragons), but dang... a werewolf RPG, what's not to like? o.o Anyways, if you do decide to do this, good luck.
(Aaaand that was a terribly short and probably useless post, but I'm not posting very well on anything today)
Edit - I went and found a site about it. Sounds pretty interesting, the Fianna tribe were especially cool.
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Jan 26, 2007 22:18:53 GMT -5
Post by River back on her comp on Jan 26, 2007 22:18:53 GMT -5
It definitely is worth investigation if you're into werewolves. ^^ I have a lot of the info up already, if you'd like to take a look: destinationdark.proboards54.com/index.cgiBut it's nowhere near finished. @.@ I don't even have the rp boards up yet...
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Jan 27, 2007 12:25:09 GMT -5
Post by Secret on Jan 27, 2007 12:25:09 GMT -5
I love werewolves, so I'll definetly check it out. ^^ maybe I'll look into the books as well, Ithey sound interesting.
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Jan 27, 2007 12:27:33 GMT -5
Post by River on Jan 27, 2007 12:27:33 GMT -5
I totally recommend it, 100%. ^^ They're fascinating reads and the over guide book has a few comics in it. Very visually stimulating with a unique and interesting style. There are separate comic books that go with the storyline, but I have yet to obtain any of them. ;3
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Feb 7, 2007 15:40:37 GMT -5
Post by River on Feb 7, 2007 15:40:37 GMT -5
*eats double post* I really did want to bring this here but no one else will answer me. -_- What do you guys think of this? It's long and it might be a bit confusing but that's not important. i don't care about the thread itself so much, but the method of character creation it describes... what do you guys think of it? Does it sound like something interesting you'd probably try if you were interested in the subject matter or is it just a major obstacle you wouldn't bother trying to climb over if you did join a site like that? Is it unnecessarily long (the character creation process, not the thread itself) or do you find it new and innovative for a text rp? I seriously need some honest opinions and, since I'm the only member of the site at the moment, I need to ask everyone else... but so far, I've gotten no answers and it's making me feel... well, like I'm in all this alone... What with physics cutting down my internet time (no real homework today though *pumps fists*) and my other online friends living a life of their own... I dunno, it seems like no one cares anymore, not even my dog. She won't even sleep in my room anymore because it's too cold... >.>
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Feb 7, 2007 16:16:40 GMT -5
Post by Domnopalus on Feb 7, 2007 16:16:40 GMT -5
I wish I'd seen this sooner--I don't know why I missed it, but I'll offer my opinion which may be just really irrelevant. I admit I didn't read all the posts here (except for River's first one), and I skimmed the post on River's forum because I really have stuff I need to be doing, but I'll put in my two cents.
I know what it’s like to feel like your work will be fruitless, and I think you, River, are a harder-working person than me even. It’s perfectly valid of you to feel this way, but consider a few things first.
I know the basics of games and tabletop RPs, etc. etc., and as I see it if you're familiar with that kind of 'interface,' if you will, then it's simply a matter of adopting new rules/variables. I know that there is a huuuge werewolf community that parallels the vampire community and is close to the same size that the Furry community is (though I think inevitably the Furry community is bigger because it might also include weres). I also know that inevitably because of modern culture, I’m guessing that about 95% of them go online. Also those kinds of communities are most definitely fueled by the Net because it brings people closer together visually (artwork) and literally (writing). That also means that some followers of these ‘communities’ are actually introduced to it/taken in by it through the internet.
So, what I’m saying is I think your pains are not fruitless. People who are into the werewolf culture will be just as willing to learn new rules online as they are to learn tabletop rules. You might even find a percentage of people who know the tabletop game and would like to try it in a different venue or with different people (after all, D&D became a video game).
However, there is one ominous obstacle that seems to be in the way of everyone looking for different forms of success, and that is,
EXPOSURE
which means stuff like advertising and getting out to the right groups of people to bring in ‘consumers’ of sorts. This is a one of the biggest challenges faced in today’s economy as you probably know. People specialize in marketing techniques and the like. We are not professionals, but we can learn by experience and use our best judgment to make decisions. We can learn from other successful sites, and learn from other failures (which incidentally is why there is such a thing as failures: to learn from them). We, as Artists, are born to learn by observation, and that will be your best bet here I think.
So, I don’t think what you’re doing is fruitless at all if you want to have the ‘ideal’ product badly enough. Unfortunately I don’t have much of an idea about how to market people in, but I do think that that right there is your biggest enemy, NOT being unable to find people willing to learn your rules. My short-term advice would be to try to start by making some kind of affiliation or something with that Werewolf: The Apocalypse main site thing. They, being the hub of that game in general, will definitely bring in the right audience for your site.
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Feb 7, 2007 16:24:41 GMT -5
Post by River on Feb 7, 2007 16:24:41 GMT -5
>.> I still don't know Dommie. Even though there is a huge community of werewolf lovers and such, I doubt many of them like to rp and those of them that do don't want to read all of the information that goes with the game. I can only assume that like five people will join (the five people that would in fact bother to read all of the info), the board will fall inactive as my Physics teacher starts to cram in the final chapters before May and it'll all just be a waste of time... something I have so little of nowadays. -_-
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Feb 7, 2007 16:33:57 GMT -5
Post by Domnopalus on Feb 7, 2007 16:33:57 GMT -5
Kay Riv, it seems to me that you just want someone to tell you to give it up because you’re guilty about giving it up at this point because you’ve already gotten so far and all of a sudden you’ve acquired doubts. Well, I’m NOT gonna tell you to give it up, but I will tell you this: Why don’t you put it aside for a little while if it’s buggin you so much and see what comes about it. Maybe down the line when you’re less stressed an epiphany will come to you about it and you’ll be able to continue. You could be burned out of it for now (a possibility, not an assumption), and some things just need a little time to stew by themselves without adding stuff/poking stuff yaknow. If you come back to it, you come back to it and it's fine. If you don't, you don't and it was meant to be. Kind of like how if you see something in a store that you like but you don't buy it, and you leave and then remember it later, then it means you should go back and get it.
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Feb 7, 2007 16:51:56 GMT -5
Post by River on Feb 7, 2007 16:51:56 GMT -5
No no, I don't want someone to tell me to give up. I wouldn't, even if you had told me yourself. I want to be apart of a W:tA forum so much that I'd rp with myself the whole time just to make it happen. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't think it will ever get off the ground and I'm rather annoyed by the mere idea... >.>
I think I'm just in a bad mood. -_- I had my braces super-tightened yesterday and my mouth hurts so terribly badly it's unbelievable, I can't even close my mouth. plus, I got almost no sleep last night because, due to art club and an unusually long appointment at Bracesetters, I had almost no time to do my physics homework. On top of all of that, I'm starving but I can't eat anything. I can barely even drink milk. ;.;
I should go take a nap but I don't want to. This is one of the few days I'll have without any real Physics homework and, after taking a break from DD for a week or so, I wanted to spend all my free time working on it. I'm so eager to get it started, whether people join or not... but I can't. I'm still unsure about the character creation thing but no one has the time to give me an opinion on the matter... and I can't really do much until it's either done or destroyed. But I'm not going to have another opportunity like this at the same time and I can't wait around forever. *spins in circles* o.O
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Feb 7, 2007 17:06:45 GMT -5
Post by Domnopalus on Feb 7, 2007 17:06:45 GMT -5
Good, good. I'm glad that you don't want to be told not to do it XD But, damn, I'd be in a horrid mood if I had your braces situation, JEEZ I was supposed to get braces but I didn't--too expensive for my tastes/painful/waste of time/pain/maintenance/WHATEVER XD for me so I decided against it. So what if I get a horrible jaw disease later--I like the shape of my smile, lollll So you're braver than me, definitely, and I completely don't blame you for feeling bad. On the other hand XD I DID give you my opinion on it. I said that if anyone is into that kind of thing enough, they'd have no problem learning new rules and such, especially if they're a game person. I collect this constructible Pirate strategy game that comes in little game packs that are overpriced, and the game rules are SO involved and take a long time to get a hang of, but I still do it because I LOVE those little ships and I'm quite into the pirate-scene. Anyone who's into the werewolf-scene and wants to immerse themselves (which is the whole concept behind strategy/RPG games) shouldn't have any reason not to bound for this opportunity. Anyway, that's all I'm saying though if you want to ask me advice personall you know as friends I'm always open to it and will give my best answers. Also I'll tell you another thing--the WORSTTTT thing for me is 'starting' things. They say that 'once begun is half done,' well for me, it's 'once begun is 98% done'. I am SO bad at sticking to things and starting them in the first place, so I depress myself be a) having all these ideas and never starting them, and b) if I do start something, i don't finish it. For instance I made this sculpture of Domnopalus which is sitting on my bookcase---headless. I did it like 3 months ago and it was looking pretty fine if I don't say so, but it just got tedious for me. I think someday I'll go back to it because I really want a figure of him...but it'll be in a while. If you can find any trick to staying motivated, please lend it here because that's one of my biggest weaknesses! XD I have a feeling it might change as I get more direction in my life though, as in college.
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Feb 7, 2007 17:16:27 GMT -5
Post by River on Feb 7, 2007 17:16:27 GMT -5
I'm still not sure about it. >.> I dunno, I don't think there are enough people who will bother with it... but you're right Dommie. If they're not going to bother reading the rules, I wouldn't want them on my site anyway. X3 The people who will, the kind of people who are totally into werewolves and involved with things like this are the people I want as members. ^^
As for you and your ability to finish things (or lack there of), I recommend finding yourself a motivational, inspirational friend who is always there to say something when you think no one else is listening. Someone who's smart and funny yet witty, with profound ideas and a clear, honest mind. Someone who always gives you a thumbs up and is always ready to catch you should you fall, even if they don't necessarily follow you down the path... and it doesn't hurt much if they happen to have a sadistic hellhorse character. ;3 <3
Other than that, I dunno what to tell you. If you really want it, you will finish it.
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Feb 7, 2007 17:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Domnopalus on Feb 7, 2007 17:45:43 GMT -5
You're amazing, Riv; thank you <3
Everything will fall into place, i think. Things tend to do that <3
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